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Ok so maybe you can help: where’s the bullet…? I’m vaguely familiar with how cartridges work, to the extent that they need 1. propellant, and 2. A projectile. Even a small rodent would require a projectile to be injured!
Maybe these are loaded before loading a projectile, musket-style?
It's a shell casing style projectile. The gunpowder is in the rim of the cartridge. The "bullet" is a bunch of tiny tiny bee bees inside the upper part of the shell. When the action (the part that contacts the rim of the cartridge) snaps against the rim, the gunpowder ignites sending the projectile of all the small bee bees out through the barrell of the gun. The empty cartridge is then ejected. Gun powder = propellant, bee bees = projectile. Same way a 12 gauge or 20 gauge shell works, just on a tiny scale.
100% except for a tiny correction. The priming charge is in the rim of the shell, the powder goes in next. Then usually a cardboard disc or plastic wad, then the shot is poured in on top of that, another cardboard disc is placed on that, then the shell casing is crimped around that disc, then sealed with wax or something similar.
Essentially a rimfire shotgun shell made exactly like a modern shotgun shell except being rimfire instead of having a replaceable primer in the center of the shell (why it's called center-fire).
Excellent correction, I was typing fast while trying to diagnose a transmission problem over the phone lol. Too many explanations going on at once to get them all correct.
Yeah, they are rimfire and still being produced, were used as garden and gallery guns. Since the guns aren't rifled in many contries they don't count as modern firearms so there is a small niche for them some places.
EDIT: To clarify the ammo is still in production, the guns not.
There are still several manufacturers producing modern guns in 9mm Flobert.
It’s a big part of why the ammo is still mass produced, and hasn’t dropped out of production or become limited to specialty ammo manufacturers/hand loads like many similar rounds have.
Edit: looking into it further it looks like this may have changed in the last few years, and the last few major manufacturers still making guns in 9mm Flobert appear to have discontinued production around the time of Covid. Looks like it may be down to small manufacturers and used guns.
The 9mm Flobert is a low-powered, rimfire shotgun cartridge, essentially a mini-shotgun shell for pest control, firing small shot or a tiny ball with limited range and energy. So to answer your question, [small] bullet(s).
Technically small cartridges. The bullet is the projectile, the entire thing with shell/casing, primer, powder, projectile, and in this case, wad, is the cartridge. I know you probably know that, putting it out there for those who don't.
And I think if it is like modern paper shotgun shells, the material choice reduces felt recoil as well. Making repeat shots more comfortable. Especially if you are shooting off a brass butt plate or out of a weird old timey pistol :)
You would have a bloody, sore ass with a slightly larger than a baseball wound. Note I do not suggest you confirm this, in fact I strongly discourage it. The flechetes are small enough that they might just leave them in the wound. A tattoo would be less painful and more colorful.
I like him because he does an amazing job of making his videos entertaining and not just about the guns and big booms. Seriously the only gun channel I watch anymore
It would hurt, leed, and you would more then likely be going to the hospital to have numerous small pieces of lead removed from your ass, and good chance the wadding as well.
"The Little Badger Shotgun is a garden gun version and is virtually identical to the rifle, except that it fires 9mm Flobert shot-shells from a 24-inch smooth-bore barrel, and lacks the sights and Picatinny rails."
Idk how you interpreted that page as the gun not being chambered in 9mm flobert.
Pretty much. I mean due to the low powder charge and them not having rifling they are pretty inaccurate with ball beyond like 10m, but due to their unique law status the guns have been going up in value quite a bit.
I'd figure the little raptors would do more damage, at least my murder birds did.
Quirky and enough eh? I know for fact y'all like shoot machine guns and blow shit up just as much as us Americans. Got to work with your army infantry boys, shit was fun.
Okay well don't list all of them because the toaster is listening but I'd love to know what a collection looks like on your side of the pond. Since we're talkin' shot, one of my absolute favorites. 2.5" with 2.5" mini EFPs or just good ole fashion .45 looooong Colt.
What an interesting firearm. Un the US, there's the 9mm Carbine "Camp Gun" for use against predators and small game. Also relatively short range, but rifled.
Follow up since this was so popular. When in doubt ask the residence of the house. “Oh those are for the gun. It was used for hunting birds.” Here is the gun. Sorry no banana for scale.
Louis-Nicolas Flobert (1819–1894) was a French inventor. He invented the first metallic rimfire cartridge in 1845. It was a major innovation in firearms ammunition technology, as it was previously delivered as separate bullets and gunpowder, pertaining to muzzle-loading firearms. The rimfire cartridge combined both elements in a single metallic (usually brass) cartridge) containing a percussion cap, gunpowder, and a bullet, into a single weatherproofed package or container. Before that, a "cartridge" was simply a pre-measured quantity of gunpowder together with a ball (bullet), in a small cloth bag (or rolled paper cylinder), which also acted as wadding for the powder charge and ball.
Another commentor said a Nerf gun is deadlier. Please don't believe this nonsense. This is a pest round. Basically a low powder 9mm shot shell. It's no 12ga but if shot placement and distance lign up... Plenty deadly!
Thank you. People say that about a .22 as well, you can absolutely kill someone with both. Not advocating one way or the other for legality, but being flippant about small caliber/gauge rounds is dumb and will get someone who doesn't know any better killed
I did a hog in with a .22 I gave him a cucumber and while he was enjoying that I put the round between his eyes. Muzzled him with it. Dropped immediately. And he was delicious too.
I’m no forensics expert, but I’ve repeatedly heard the idea behind close range shots with a .22 is that it has the velocity to enter the skull but not the exit velocity to break out of the skull, so it bounces around inside your head and scrambles the brain.
That's not actually true but it has been repeated so often that it's become common knowledge. The round does not tend to bounce if it has enough energy to reach the inside of the skull. I believed it too up until a few years ago when a bunch of youtubers tested it.
It is true. I got shot point blank in fingertips with a 0.22. blew off one fingertip and fragmented upon impact of my second finger, shattering the bone and leaving a bunch of shrapnel (bone and bullet).
Might not be true in regards to the skull specifically, but they do have a tendency to cause a lot of Internal damage cause the rounds fragment or /
"Bounce around" internally.
The nurses at the hospital confirmed when I was there.
On the other hand, there was the case of Ken Eto, a Japanese-American who ran some bookmaking operations for the Chicago Outfit. With Feds pressuring him, the Outfit assigned a couple guys to take him out. They caught up with him in a shopping center parking lot, put a .22 against his head and pulled the trigger. Somehow the bullet didn’t get enough momentum to penetrate his skull and instead traveled under the skin around his skull and came out the front. Lots of blood so they thought the job was done and left, but he was able to crawl into a store and get help. He went into Witness Protection and the hitters were found in a car trunk out by where my mom lived at the time.
That's not really a thing, any larger caliber is going to be more deadly, especially one powerful enough to blast a hole right out the other side of your head. Rob F Kennedy was shot from one inch away in the head with a .22LR and was conscious and talking for a while after, and died just over 24 hours later. Still dead tho.
If you've ever watched R Dwyer's press conference you'll see the difference a large caliber makes. (don't watch that)
Hell, wasnt Reagan almost killed by a .22lr? A gun is a gun is a gun. There is no "safe" gun to play around with. Even less lethal rounds are still capable of killing, and they are designed to not kill as much as possible.
To go one step further, even blank cartriges can be deadly.
A blank cartridge doesn't have a projectile, but the mouth of the cartridge is crimped over to allow pressure to build, sometimes just to make noise so a small amount of powder or sometimes to launch grenades.
Any firearm or tool that uses gunpowder or smokeless powder is capable of causing death, the range just changes.
Blank cartridge? Going to pretty much have to be right up against the skin.
.50 Browning? If you can see it you can kill it and even beyond.
9mm Flobert. Basically a very low power shotgun round. Effective range is incredibly short and intended for pest control. I think that's an old Fiocchi logo.
That’s not an old Fiocchi logo. That’s CF which stands for Cartoucherie Française. “Cartoucherie” means “cartridge factory”. Cartoucherie Française was one of leading ammunition manufacturers in France.
They were some "artsy" little fuckers though, weren't they? I'm generally just happy if my 12 gauge shells don't have too much bentonite clay caked on them in order to chamber..
Sadly (and I'm "sussing" that AT LEAST one of you are British - - if WW2 taught US ANYTHING--) FUNCTION OVER FORM EVERY SINGLE SHIFT!!-- just ask "Rosie the [motherfucking]Riveter!!
Ah, okay, I see what you mean and I at least somewhat agree. I do think consumers share the responsibility for this shift with companies in most markets.
My dad had a 9mm "garden gun" shotgun. I think it was bolt action and used silver metal case cartridges. He had to surrender it to the police in the end because the barrel was shorter than legally allowed for a shotgun in the UK.
A folding one! Wow, I’ve not seen one of those. My dad gave me his when I turned 18 (mannnyyy years ago). I’ve never shot it as I’ve not found cartridges I trust - I didn’t realize any were still being produced!
Unfortunately, no! I grew up in Canada and am now in the US. I’ve only ever found them at gun shows, as “antique cartridges”. I’ve lots of friends in the UK and visit every couple years… I wonder how well it would go over trying to bring some back? Haha (excellent username, by the way!)
Had 2 of these but Remington surrendered to me when I worked at an airport. The guns were advertised as garden guns. 9mm cartridge with very fine projectiles inside. Took me forever to figure out what they were. They are collectors items.
These is where we got the name for the magic rope circles around the names of pharaohs from back in old egypt times. Because when they were coming up with names for all this ancient egyptian stuff it was the french that were there thanks to napolean, and when they were naming things the re-used the french words for the various things that they had lying around, like cartouches like these we see here in this picture (there were a lot of french soldiers and guns there at the time). So they said let's just call it that.
In Europe, 9mm was a common shotgun "bore" significantly smaller and less powerful than 410. The guns were generally single shot break opens. A lot of firearms bans exclude these. They are often called garden guns as they were used to eliminate small mammals, birds, snakes etc at close range. IE rabbits eating your cabbage in your garden
9mm flobert is a specific kind but there are otherd
That says 9mm lead shot in English. Lead in French is plombs derived from the same root that gives us plumbing in English and the atomic symbol of lead Pb.
Also google has a fair translation app that you can either type into or point a camera at text.
These are old Flobert shotgun cartridges containing small shot pellets. Today, they are made differently, entirely of metal. The picture shows my Chiappa 9mm Flobert with a slug cartridge and a classic 9mm Flobert.
I live in Wyoming. When I was a kid (50 years ago) the Fourth of July parade was quite the event. There was a mountain man named Edgar that had one of these pistols and would throw old fashioned Christmas ornaments (glass balls) into the air and shoot them with these (22 lr with shot in them) while he was riding horseback. I never saw him miss.
One year in the local paper there was a headline that read "Edgar shoots balls off horse". I wished we'd have kept that paper because soon after the newspaper building burned down along with their archives...
Here is a video about this type of round in various calibers and how much damage they can do, and its a great video not just soke guy shooting stuff but actually entertaining
rat shot
Having shot these before, they are much better than puny .22 shot shells. You can do damage up to 22yards or so, but 10 yards effective generally speaking. common in Europe which is where I fired one of these.
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